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stanlee
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Beginner in investment

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Hi Dennis,

I've been in IT industry for the past 10 years and basically have zero knowledge in Financial and Investment. I would like to pick up the skill and knowledge as much as possible and hopefully in shorter time.

I've read both of your books and also registered for your 4 days combo workshop. Currently completed the property seminar and now eagerly waiting for stock and shares seminar in Feb (year of rabbit).

The recent activity I've done was to purchase the book that you strongly recommended (The Master Plan to Success).

Besides all these, what else can I do to speed up my learning process?
I do not wish to waste time and money on books and seminars out there which have no real contents.

Thanks in advance and wishing you and your family a happy and blessed chinese new year :)

Regards,
Stanlee
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stanlee wrote:Hi Dennis,

I've been in IT industry for the past 10 years and basically have zero knowledge in Financial and Investment. I would like to pick up the skill and knowledge as much as possible and hopefully in shorter time.

I've read both of your books and also registered for your 4 days combo workshop. Currently completed the property seminar and now eagerly waiting for stock and shares seminar in Feb (year of rabbit).

The recent activity I've done was to purchase the book that you strongly recommended (The Master Plan to Success).

Besides all these, what else can I do to speed up my learning process?
I do not wish to waste time and money on books and seminars out there which have no real contents.

Thanks in advance and wishing you and your family a happy and blessed chinese new year :)

Regards,
Stanlee
Hi Stanlee,
wow, great enthusiasm to learn, keep it up!

You can read "The Intelligent Investor" by Benjamin Graham, one of the Classics in Stock Investing. Another great book is "Common Stocks, Uncommon Profits" by Philip Fisher.
Cheers!

Dennis Ng - When You Master Your Finances, You Master Your Destiny

Note: I'm just sharing my personal comments, not giving you investment advice nor stock investment tips.
stanlee
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Re: Begineer in investment

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Dennis Ng wrote:
stanlee wrote:Hi Dennis,

I've been in IT industry for the past 10 years and basically have zero knowledge in Financial and Investment. I would like to pick up the skill and knowledge as much as possible and hopefully in shorter time.

I've read both of your books and also registered for your 4 days combo workshop. Currently completed the property seminar and now eagerly waiting for stock and shares seminar in Feb (year of rabbit).

The recent activity I've done was to purchase the book that you strongly recommended (The Master Plan to Success).

Besides all these, what else can I do to speed up my learning process?
I do not wish to waste time and money on books and seminars out there which have no real contents.

Thanks in advance and wishing you and your family a happy and blessed chinese new year :)

Regards,
Stanlee
Hi Stanlee,
wow, great enthusiasm to learn, keep it up!

You can read "The Intelligent Investor" by Benjamin Graham, one of the Classics in Stock Investing. Another great book is "Common Stocks, Uncommon Profits" by Philip Fisher.
Hi Dennis,

Noted with thanks :)
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Post by lukelow »

Hi Stanlee,

I can identify with your environment as I too is in the IT industry. We already got the 'know how' from Dennis, all there is needed is to have a field experience.

Just like in IT, we can learn all the cert we want but end of the day, its really the experience that counts. I will suggest you use a demo account to start paper trading and start to keep a cash account for investment purpose on top of what you may have for savings.

Then when you are more confident, you can start investing real money. Treat paper trading like what you will do with real money and u will be rewarded greatly. Its more of a human behavior and unfortunately, no one can be taught.

If you need to grab a copy of the intelligent investor, i can lend mine to you. Just let me know.

Cheers and Huat to all who are investing!
The best is yet to be
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Post by Stradlinz »

Unfortunately, it is different when you use real money vs demo money. My suggestion is still to use real money, this way can really learn esp the 'emotional control' part of investing which is very very important.

From my personal experience when I dont put real money on the table, I'm not really serious or 100% in my research and thinking process. So unless u use real money, u r unlikely to do ur best. This is hard truth and everybody gottta go thru this process.
lukelow wrote:Hi Stanlee,

I can identify with your environment as I too is in the IT industry. We already got the 'know how' from Dennis, all there is needed is to have a field experience.

Just like in IT, we can learn all the cert we want but end of the day, its really the experience that counts. I will suggest you use a demo account to start paper trading and start to keep a cash account for investment purpose on top of what you may have for savings.

Then when you are more confident, you can start investing real money. Treat paper trading like what you will do with real money and u will be rewarded greatly. Its more of a human behavior and unfortunately, no one can be taught.

If you need to grab a copy of the intelligent investor, i can lend mine to you. Just let me know.

Cheers and Huat to all who are investing!
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Post by Dennis Ng »

Fully agree with Stradinz on the need to risk real money.

One of the most difficult thing to learn in investing is "emotional and psychological control" (self control). You will feel differently when you may lose real money and even if you lose money by investing, (make sure losing the money you'll still be financially ok), it is a very valuable lesson/experience to learn.

Of course, we try to learn from other people's mistakes as well, it is "cheaper" than making the same mistake and losing money ourselves. So in my seminar, I also share the mistakes I made in investing, as I hope that my seminar graduates need not make the same mistakes I made and already paid "tuition fee" for.

Cheers!

Dennis Ng, http://www.MasterYourFinance.com
Stradlinz wrote:Unfortunately, it is different when you use real money vs demo money. My suggestion is still to use real money, this way can really learn esp the 'emotional control' part of investing which is very very important.

From my personal experience when I dont put real money on the table, I'm not really serious or 100% in my research and thinking process. So unless u use real money, u r unlikely to do ur best. This is hard truth and everybody gottta go thru this process.
lukelow wrote:Hi Stanlee,

I can identify with your environment as I too is in the IT industry. We already got the 'know how' from Dennis, all there is needed is to have a field experience.

Just like in IT, we can learn all the cert we want but end of the day, its really the experience that counts. I will suggest you use a demo account to start paper trading and start to keep a cash account for investment purpose on top of what you may have for savings.

Then when you are more confident, you can start investing real money. Treat paper trading like what you will do with real money and u will be rewarded greatly. Its more of a human behavior and unfortunately, no one can be taught.

If you need to grab a copy of the intelligent investor, i can lend mine to you. Just let me know.

Cheers and Huat to all who are investing!
Cheers!

Dennis Ng - When You Master Your Finances, You Master Your Destiny

Note: I'm just sharing my personal comments, not giving you investment advice nor stock investment tips.
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re: investment

Post by tan_robin »

Hi Dennis,


I just started to learn more abt investment and still new to it.

I was reading the book that u recommended 'Common Stocks and Uncommon profits', it mentioned about growth stocks, how can we learn to identify growth stocks and traditionally what are they ? commodity stocks ?

Do u recommend investment on stocks outside of Spore eg Malaysia, China, US etc ?

Cheers :)
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Re: re: investment

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tan_robin wrote:Hi Dennis,


I just started to learn more abt investment and still new to it.

I was reading the book that u recommended 'Common Stocks and Uncommon profits', it mentioned about growth stocks, how can we learn to identify growth stocks and traditionally what are they ? commodity stocks ?

Do u recommend investment on stocks outside of Spore eg Malaysia, China, US etc ?

Cheers :)
Hi tan_robin,

in my Secrets to Making Money in Stocks Seminar, I explained hwat is Growth stocks and what Philip Fisher looks for in Growth Stocks.

I personally only invest in Singapore Stocks, with the exception of 2 U.S. stocks, CITIGROUP and BAC; and China Mobile, China Unicom and HSBC, listed in HK.

The KEY thing for investors is to Invest within one's Circle of Competence, don't go into area you are not familiar with which you do NOT have a "competitive edge" against other investors.
Cheers!

Dennis Ng - When You Master Your Finances, You Master Your Destiny

Note: I'm just sharing my personal comments, not giving you investment advice nor stock investment tips.
stanlee
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Re: re: investment

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Dennis Ng wrote:
tan_robin wrote:Hi Dennis,


I just started to learn more abt investment and still new to it.

I was reading the book that u recommended 'Common Stocks and Uncommon profits', it mentioned about growth stocks, how can we learn to identify growth stocks and traditionally what are they ? commodity stocks ?

Do u recommend investment on stocks outside of Spore eg Malaysia, China, US etc ?

Cheers :)
Hi tan_robin,

in my Secrets to Making Money in Stocks Seminar, I explained hwat is Growth stocks and what Philip Fisher looks for in Growth Stocks.

I personally only invest in Singapore Stocks, with the exception of 2 U.S. stocks, CITIGROUP and BAC; and China Mobile, China Unicom and HSBC, listed in HK.

The KEY thing for investors is to Invest within one's Circle of Competence, don't go into area you are not familiar with which you do NOT have a "competitive edge" against other investors.
Hi All,

Thanks and appreciate for all the advise and suggestions. I believe I can learn alot just by visiting this forum frequently :) looking forward for the stock class to start in 2 weeks time.

Cheers :)

Regards,
Stanlee
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Post by lukelow »

Maybe I am different but I treat demo money as serious as real money. That way I 1) master the strategy 2) learn to master my emotion.

:D
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Post by Dennis Ng »

lukelow wrote:Maybe I am different but I treat demo money as serious as real money. That way I 1) master the strategy 2) learn to master my emotion.

:D
Hi lukelow,
yes, if so, you're a rare person.

For most people, I suggest to invest Real Money (can start with smaller amount), as I personally feel a difference between losing Demo money vs Real money.
Cheers!

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Note: I'm just sharing my personal comments, not giving you investment advice nor stock investment tips.
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Post by ein55 »

It is still a good start to "having war on paper = zhi3 shang4 tan2 bing1", better than being an observer. Focus on a few stocks, record the buying price, monitor the price and volume movements on daily basis to gain experience.

Another way of gaining "real" experience is through past data. Ask for someone's help to erase the name of certain stocks, only provide certain key information (FA) and chart of the price & vol (TA) a few months ago or a few years ago, using the info to make some decisions - short & long term. This is an useful training which is also given during Dennis' seminar.

Eventually, you still need to get yourself 'wet". In fact, it is "better" to lose some money initially, so that you can learn the lesson to avoid bigger loss in future. Usually the risk is someone gains some small money initially, thinking he is smart, ending losing lots of money eventually. Start with small investment first, buying in each correction phase (every few months), risk will be lower this way. This is like playing mahjong, real $ will make the player extremely serious, even if it is only $1.

My children only invest $500 initially (from their past saving), recently increase to $1000 (after adding Ang Paos from CNY) as they can see the return from phase1 investment. Of course, their investment is "capital protected" by their parents :) Despite the small capital (in fact, this is nearly 100% of their saving), they are very serious in stock market, recently were cooled down due the correction, also a good form of education. Perhaps in phase3 investment, their capital shd not be protected anymore.
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Post by chezball »

I am 100% agreeable that the best way to start is to do it with your real hard earn money. Then you will be able to strengthen your emotional control. Otherwise subconsciously you will not be as sharp as you know it is just for testing.

Ever wonder why some traders can trade beyond $100k per trade and some only a few $K? difference is in knowledge and confidence (mental strength). Both need to work hand in hand and the only way really improve is to get our feet wet.

Start small, get a few bruises and one will come out stronger. :) Happy investing!
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