What Is A Derivative?

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zipink
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What Is A Derivative?

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Definition: A security whose price is dependent upon or derived from one or more underlying assets. The derivative itself is merely a contract between two or more parties. Its value is determined by fluctuations in the underlying asset. The most common underlying assets include stocks, bonds, commodities, currencies, interest rates and market indexes. Most derivatives are characterized by high leverage. - source

Are you still confused on the term "Derivative"? Let my try to simplify further...

Let's say you have an ORANGE. It's a very common fruit.

You put in a blender.... you get ORANGE JUICE.

ORANGE JUICE is a derivative of the fruit orange. You derived the juice from the fruit.

What happens if you want to make ORANGE MILKSHAKE? You put in some orange juice + a bit of milk + a scoop of ice-cream. Orange milk shake is a derivative of orange juice, while orange juice is a derivative of orange.

In other words, orange milkshake is a derivative of a derivative of the fruit orange.

CFD is a derivative... because CFDs mimics the prices of underlying assets (stocks, indices, commodities). CFDs are traded directly with the broker and not through an exchange such as the SGX. You are not buying the underlying assets directly.

Why are some derivatives like Collateral debt obligations (CDOs) TOXIC? They are the ones which caused the financial crisis in 2008? Some CDOs - called "synthetic CDOs" - are bundles of CDS and other credit derivatives. This means they are derivatives of derivatives.

Let me use an analogy:

The fruit orange itself is fresh. If just eaten in its pure form, most likely you will not get any diarrhea. But if you make it into an orange milkshake... what if the milk has gone sour? What if the ice-cream has expired? You add the bad milk with orange juice.... you drink and you will get LAO SAI (diarrhea).

I hope I make it simple enough for common people to understand. :)
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What Is A Derivative?

Post by JW »

Zipink,

You have made the definition in a way that's clear and easy to understand. It is interesting. Thank you.

By the way, does it mean CFD is risky for novice like us to invest even we set zero leverage and cut loss limit?

So how do they earn for example, if we buy silver or stock at px close to market px?
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Post by ailing »

Zipink

Thank you for the analogy!
Easy to understand.
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Re: What Is A Derivative?

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JW wrote:Zipink,

You have made the definition in a way that's clear and easy to understand. It is interesting. Thank you.

By the way, does it mean CFD is risky for novice like us to invest even we set zero leverage and cut loss limit?

So how do they earn for example, if we buy silver or stock at px close to market px?
Hi JW,

I would say that if one doesn't have any knowledge, it would be risky even if you set zero leverage and cut loss limit. You will still lose money.

It applies to market cycle investing as well. If you don't have knowledge, don't know how to evaluate a company and just invest blindly - It is risky. Sure fire way to lose money.

Just my personal advice: Don't hurry to trade. Invest in your knowledge first. Learn from Yip Khiong (TA course), learn from good books etc. :)

CFD brokers are after all brokers. Brokers earn money from commissions. For CMC Markets, the commissions are built into the spread already (bid/ask price). The more you trade, the more they earn. For other brokers such as Phillip CFD, they have a fixed commission rate ~0.25%.
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woonty

Post by woonty »

Hi Zipink

Really like your analogy :D

Agree investing is risky with or without knowledge & especially true for those beginners just starting out & have yet to experience losing their real hard cash.

And the fastest way to find out more about yourselves (risk tolerance, emotion, characters) is when our money is involved (lost)

You can't learn cycling by reading book

The fastest way to learn cycling is just to cycle with some assistance (handle holding, actually no use except psychologically) & experiencing some falls (hopefully NOT fatal) that's how I learn in my younger days (can afford to fall, no problem)

Anyway nowadays got helmet lar, hand & legs guard lar, my times, where got :!:

:D
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