Know Yourself - Control Your Emotion BEFORE It Controls You

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Know Yourself - Control Your Emotion BEFORE It Controls You

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Hi All,

Knowing ourselves better will help us a lot.
The most difficult part in any relationship is to control emotion.

The relationship between humans:
- you and your parent
- you and your wife/husband
- you and your children
- you and your friend
- you and your boss/supervisor/manager
- you and your society
- you and strangers
- etc. etc.

The relationship can be also between human and things (abstract/no-abstract)
- you and your book you like
- you and your vacation you love
- you and your smoking habit
- you and your your laziness
- you and your MONEY!!!
- etc. etc.

My point here showing the above is that all of these relationships involve emotions... in form of

POSITIVE EMOTIONS, for examples:
happy, excitement, joy, gratitude, enthusiasm, laughter, curiosity...

NEGATIVE EMOTIONS, for examples:
anger, greed, fear, anxiety, worries, hatred, blame, resentment...

Now, let us try to reflect our relationship WITH MONEY!
The latest market turmoil has impacted all of us in one way or another.
Because we put our money in it.

I would liken it like if a father send his son to a war zone...
Emotion, is and will, be involved... whether he will survive or not... coming back without loosing a limb... hope and fear...

Anyway...
I come upon these few pictures/images depicting our emotion in the market cycle. All of them pretty similar, but complementing each other.
You can try to reflect this upon yourself and see where were you and what was your emotion like...

MOST IMPORTANT LESSON for myself is that, here you can see why Warren Buffet said "Be fearful if others are greedy, and be greedy if others are fearful!"
This is a reverse psychology! In other words, a reverse emotion!

When there is a crisis, we should be excited!
When there is a euphoria, we should be cautious!

From http://sfhfm.org/blog/?p=1229
Image

From http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2010/04/la ... ng-points/
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From http://www.marketfolly.com/2010/04/inve ... d-one.html
Image

From http://leduc998.wordpress.com/2008/08/0 ... sychology/
Image
Cheers!
Hendra
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Alamak, US Market rally like crazy last night, but STI drop instead this morning... the question must be why? why? why?

I've drawn something.. hope this can relate to you...

Image

Once we go out of the school, we are on our own to decide what to do. The teachers could not tell you what you must do!
Once we have gotten your driving license, we are on our own to decide to drive or not to drive. The driving coach cannot tell you what you must do.

Once you have decided to do something, you must be ready with the consequences, success or failure.

Success MUST come FROM failure.
Failure is the turning point for every human being.
If we can learn from our failure, we can be successful.
If we fail to learn from the failure then it is a DOUBLE FAILURES.

We never know what success is, if we never have failures.
We never know what success is, if we never learn from the failures.
Cheers!
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Post by ngtfook »

Hi hyendra,

Another master piece... :D
I really enjoy reading your illustration.
A picture speaks a thousand words!
Price is what you pay; Value is what you get
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ngtfook wrote:Hi hyendra,

Another master piece... :D
I really enjoy reading your illustration.
A picture speaks a thousand words!
Hi ngtfook,

Thanks! This is part of my learning process too...
Cheers!
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Post by yhendra »

Hi ALL,

I stick my neck out on my opinion, but I DO REALLY HOPE I AM WRONG!
If I'm wrong, then those who have not sold their position, still have a chance to consider to cut loss, or even hopefully making profit....
If I am right, I hope you will have time to respond accordingly...

Please, please handle your emotion.... What is money? What is wealth?
Read Dennis' posting about this in the other posting here http://www.masteryourfinance.com/forum/ ... 3668#13668.

So, where we are now, and what's going to happen?

1. All major indices are still below 200MA.

2. All major indices's 50MA has cut 200MA. Majority, 100MA has cut 200MA. US markets (DOW, S&P500, NASDAQ) the 100MAs are going to cut 200MA soon....
See these links:
DOW http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$INDU& ... 7071714225
S&P500 http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$SPX&p ... 7071714225
NASDAQ http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$COMPQ ... 7071714225
Hang Seng Index http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$HSI&p ... 7071714225
Shanghai Stock Exchange Composite Index http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$SSEC& ... 7071714225
Australia All Ordinareis Index http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$AORD& ... 7071714225
Strait Times Index http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$STI&p ... 7071714225
FTSE http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$FTSE& ... 7071714225
NIKKEI http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$NIKK& ... 7071714225

And as I mentioned in another posting... the 200MAs have mostly curved down... meaning the down-trend is confirmed (at least for myself)!

3. The surge of stock market today is due to the news that QE3 is coming.
I see this as I shared in earlier posting as "buy on rumor, sell on news".
So when it is announced the 2nd BIG Sell-Off will happen.
Why? 1st Stimulus didn't help... 2nd stimulus didn't either... 3rd one???
Now the stock market are addicted to this "QE"... once you are on addictive drug, the result is dying slowly but sure, the end results can be expected...

4. Even though I don't have the data, but it seems the surge today can be due to the short-covering by the big-player. Sure, there will be some bargain hunting for those short-term traders... Sigh... I'm praying that there'll be not many retail investors caught holding Sheng Siong stock at very high price...
Sure it may hit 60 cents to 66 cents which is 100% profit for those who bought at 33 cents, or it may hit 90 cents!. See my posting here about KTL Global http://www.masteryourfinance.com/forum/ ... 3514#13514

5. It's the end of the month where many hedge-fund has made losses. Rally at the end of the month... My best guest is that to at least show some profit for August? Or show it in September, after sell-off in September?
(again, I hope I am wrong and I can be wrong... I just use my common sense here....)

It doesn't matter for me whether the market crash again today, tomorrow, next month, at the end of this year, or early next year... What I am sure that by following the major trend I will make more money.

Be a Market Cycle Investor...
Cheers!
Hendra
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Post by yhendra »

yhendra wrote:Hi ALL,

I stick my neck out on my opinion, but I DO REALLY HOPE I AM WRONG!
If I'm wrong, then those who have not sold their position, still have a chance to consider to cut loss, or even hopefully making profit....
If I am right, I hope you will have time to respond accordingly...

Please, please handle your emotion.... What is money? What is wealth?
Read Dennis' posting about this in the other posting here http://www.masteryourfinance.com/forum/ ... 3668#13668.

So, where we are now, and what's going to happen?

1. All major indices are still below 200MA.

2. All major indices's 50MA has cut 200MA. Majority, 100MA has cut 200MA. US markets (DOW, S&P500, NASDAQ) the 100MAs are going to cut 200MA soon....
See these links:
DOW http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$INDU& ... 7071714225
S&P500 http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$SPX&p ... 7071714225
NASDAQ http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$COMPQ ... 7071714225
Hang Seng Index http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$HSI&p ... 7071714225
Shanghai Stock Exchange Composite Index http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$SSEC& ... 7071714225
Australia All Ordinareis Index http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$AORD& ... 7071714225
Strait Times Index http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$STI&p ... 7071714225
FTSE http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$FTSE& ... 7071714225
NIKKEI http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$NIKK& ... 7071714225

And as I mentioned in another posting... the 200MAs have mostly curved down... meaning the down-trend is confirmed (at least for myself)!

3. The surge of stock market today is due to the news that QE3 is coming.
I see this as I shared in earlier posting as "buy on rumor, sell on news".
So when it is announced the 2nd BIG Sell-Off will happen.
Why? 1st Stimulus didn't help... 2nd stimulus didn't either... 3rd one???
Now the stock market are addicted to this "QE"... once you are on addictive drug, the result is dying slowly but sure, the end results can be expected...

4. Even though I don't have the data, but it seems the surge today can be due to the short-covering by the big-player. Sure, there will be some bargain hunting for those short-term traders... Sigh... I'm praying that there'll be not many retail investors caught holding Sheng Siong stock at very high price...
Sure it may hit 60 cents to 66 cents which is 100% profit for those who bought at 33 cents, or it may hit 90 cents!. BUT, who will hold them at that price and, if the price crashed who bear the losses?
See my posting here about KTL Global http://www.masteryourfinance.com/forum/ ... 3514#13514

5. It's the end of the month where many hedge-fund has made losses. Rally at the end of the month... My best guest is that to at least show some profit for August? Or show it in September, after sell-off in September?
(again, I hope I am wrong and I can be wrong... I just use my common sense here....)

It doesn't matter for me whether the market crash again today, tomorrow, next month, at the end of this year, or early next year... What I am sure that by following the major trend I will make more money.

Be a Market Cycle Investor...
Cheers!
Hendra
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However, please do your own homework!
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Post by yhendra »

Hi ALL,

I stick my neck out on my opinion, but I DO REALLY HOPE I AM WRONG!
If I'm wrong, then those who have not sold their position, still have a chance to consider to cut loss, or even hopefully making profit....
If I am right, I hope you will have time to respond accordingly...

Please, please handle your emotion.... What is money? What is wealth?
Read Dennis' posting about this in the other posting here http://www.masteryourfinance.com/forum/ ... 3668#13668.

So, where we are now, and what's going to happen?

1. All major indices are still below 200MA.

2. All major indices's 50MA has cut 200MA. Majority, 100MA has cut 200MA. US markets (DOW, S&P500, NASDAQ) the 100MAs are going to cut 200MA soon....
See these links:
DOW http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$INDU& ... 7071714225
S&P500 http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$SPX&p ... 7071714225
NASDAQ http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$COMPQ ... 7071714225
Hang Seng Index http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$HSI&p ... 7071714225
Shanghai Stock Exchange Composite Index http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$SSEC& ... 7071714225
Australia All Ordinareis Index http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$AORD& ... 7071714225
Strait Times Index http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$STI&p ... 7071714225
FTSE http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$FTSE& ... 7071714225
NIKKEI http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$NIKK& ... 7071714225

And as I mentioned in another posting... the 200MAs have mostly curved down... meaning the down-trend is confirmed (at least for myself)!

3. The surge of stock market today is due to the news that QE3 is coming.
I see this as I shared in earlier posting as "buy on rumor, sell on news".
So when it is announced the 2nd BIG Sell-Off will happen.
Why? 1st Stimulus didn't help... 2nd stimulus didn't either... 3rd one???
Now the stock market are addicted to this "QE"... once you are on addictive drug, the result is dying slowly but sure, the end results can be expected...

4. Even though I don't have the data, but it seems the surge today can be due to the short-covering by the big-player. Sure, there will be some bargain hunting for those short-term traders... Sigh... I'm praying that there'll be not many retail investors caught holding Sheng Siong stock at very high price...
Sure it may hit 60 cents to 66 cents which is 100% profit for those who bought at 33 cents, or it may hit 90 cents!. BUT, who will hold them at that price and, if the price crashed who bear the losses?
See my posting here about KTL Global http://www.masteryourfinance.com/forum/ ... 3514#13514

5. It's the end of the month where many hedge-fund has made losses. Rally at the end of the month... My best guest is that to at least show some profit for August? Or show it in September, after sell-off in September?
(again, I hope I am wrong and I can be wrong... I just use my common sense here....)

It doesn't matter for me whether the market crash again today, tomorrow, next month, at the end of this year, or early next year... What I am sure that by following the major trend I will make more money.

Be a Market Cycle Investor...
Cheers!
Hendra
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However, please do your own homework!
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Post by yhendra »

Hi All,

I hope this story, and my sharing below, will serve us as reminder on how the stock market "works". In fact, I think, it also "works" in any investment vehicles.
yhendra wrote:I'd like to re-post this story, and hopefully during the last rally before crisis come everybody in this forum knows what to do...

From the story, you should have a better understanding of how the stock market works - the scheme, the higher prices, the greed, the no stock, the "timely announcement", etc. Think of the monkey as the stock, and you will get the meaning of this story!!!
Think the process happening in this story as demand & supply or accumulation & distribution.

Here is the story, extracted from someone named "Imran":-

Once upon a time in a village in India, a man appeared and announced to the villagers that he would buy monkeys at $10 each.

The villagers, seeing that there were many monkeys around, went into the forest and started catching them. The man very gentlemanly bought thousands of monkeys at $10 each,but as supply started to diminish, the villagers slowed down and eventually stopped their efforts.

The man then announced that he would now buy at $20. This renewed the energy and efforts of the villagers and they started catching monkeys again. Soon the supply diminished even further, and people started going back to their farms.

The offer was then increased to $25 each, but the supply of monkeys became so little that it was a almost a miracle to even spot a monkey, let alone catch one.

The man now announced that he would buy monkeys at $50 ! However, since he had to go to the city on some business, his assistant would transact on his behalf.

In the absence of the man, the assistant assembled the villagers and told them : " Look at all these monkeys in the big cages that the man has collected. I will sell them to you at $35 each, and when the man returns from the city, you can in turn sell them to him at $50 each. Deal or no deal ? "

The excited villagers, smelling a quick-profit killer opportunity, immediately rounded up all their savings and bought all the monkeys. Then they never saw the man nor his assistant again, and there were just monkeys everywhere!

-End-
Additionally, in summary investment is ALL about ACCUMULATION and DISTRIBUTION or Buy LOW and sell HIGH.

Some of you may heard OR may have not heard at all that the market (be it stock market or property market) UP or DOWN is driven by the GREED and FEAR.

GREED = to make quick profit thinking with this we can be rich in the bull market... where we actually buy from people who distribute their stocks along the way at the top of the market....
FEAR = fear of loosing money, once we are caught in this situation we fail to take action until we are depressed and actually we sell our stock to people who accumulate it...!!

So...

Accumulation = Buy Low
This is where majority of average investors at their MOST FEARFUL moment... panic, capitulated, desponded, depressed.

Distribution = Sell High
This is where majority of average investors are mostly GREEDY to make quick profit, to be rich quickly, they are excited, thrilled...

See these two pictures, which I hope can be used as a reflection and reference:

Image

Image

The formula that has been given, (I add my own TA :-)), for the investment strategy:
(FA + TA + CSA) + TA = (Fundemental Analysis + Technical Analysis + Common Sense Analysis) + Taking Action.

WHAT to Buy? Use FA + CSA
WHEN to Buy? Use TA + CSA
WHEN to Sell? Use TA + CSA
All of these must be back-up by taking action!!!


On another important lesson learn I have; some of you may know "80/20 rules". Read it here if you do not know.

If we apply this rule in the stock market, it may go like this:
Only 20% of the participants (savvy investors, expert, big institutions) make the money in the stock market, where 80% of the money is supplied by average investors (like us).

Now, I don't want to be in the 80% position anymore. I want to move to the 20% position.
And I really hope all of you will not be disheartened by the recent stock market crash....
Try to build back your confident level, and together with the sharing in this forum we can all be prepared and benefit from the up-coming crisis... we all can all move to be in the 20% position.

In 2003, I made BIG lost... in 2007... I made another BIG lost... In total, which I would not be shy to declare here: I made lost in total about $50K.
Maybe for some of you this amount is big, but for others maybe small.... It doesn't matter.
It's all relative....

Anyway, this time round with all of the above knowledge PLUS knowledge shared by Dennis...
in total I made just a little bit... because like most of you... I was also caught of guard from the sudden stock market crash.... almost all the profit wipe out after I realized the losses, by selling about 90% of the stock I own, left only one stock that hopefully still giving me dividend along the way although smaller...

As you all may have this wish, I also wish I attended Dennis seminar much earlier to learn all the knowledge earlier in 2009, so I could ride on the up-trend. But... arrghh... I just managed to attend his stock & property seminars in late 2010 (Sep/Oct).
Just a side notes that actually I have learned a lot more from him in terms of personal development... among other things: CBA (Conceive, Believe, Achieve), the law of attraction, the book "The Master Plan to Success" by Napoleon Hill, "What is Money? What is Wealth?"

Another note, do I blame him if the last train, that he has been sharing, never come?
Nope. Like dragonhart2 mentioned in his posting (read it here) Dennis is NOT God. He just 'predict' based on the best knowledge he has, the best method that works, that has made him millionaire.
We all have brain to think and process information... we all have the power to choose to take action or not to take action....

If you drive a car, you know that you need to go to school to learn to drive.
The trainer will teach you all the road signs, regulations, driving on the circuit training, on the road with the trainer...
BUT, at the end of the day... you need to have more experience on the road BY YOURSELF... NOT with the trainer.... You must be able to handle all your emotion during driving on the highway... taken over by another driver, facing a traffic jam, facing an errant driver, etc.

Likewise, Dennis has trained us with the required knowledge how to be a millionaire by investment in stock market and property.
At the end of the day we all need experience on the road... handle our emotion during the rough time, facing losses... etc.

When you hit an accident while you are driving, you can swear and curse that you will not be driving anymore... Or you learn the lesson and still have the courage to drive again....
Likewise, in investment you hit an accident, making losses. You can swear and curse that you will not touch the stock market ever again... Or you learn the lesson and still have the courage to make another investment.

BTW, I am now 42+ already, same age like Dennis.
But I AM OPTIMISTIC that I can be a millionaire within another 5 to 10 years time...
First mistake in 2003, second mistake in 2007. I will not repeat the third time the mistakes....

For myself, personally, I value the process that I have been going through, rather than the result. Because, I know that the result will come when I have the right mindset, positive thinking, knowledge, like-minded people around me...

Like Dennis suggest, this forum can be used to pour out our experience and sharing right now... and when we look back, we all can see what had happened...

I hope I have summarized the above concepts and my sharing in the most comprehensive manners. I also hope this posting useful for all of you.
Cheers!
Hendra
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Post by positive7 »

Hi Yhendra: Your recent postings did a good summary. Since attending the July Seminar, I am still paying my monthly Instalment, probably shall end Dec 2011. Did I recover my costs? I have not. Infact lost much after reading too much into the forum and get panic when the last downturn occurred last month. Sell and keep cash and cut losses! This is the only message I choose to hear. But will I recover and earn more than the losses? I believe, I will. Is this magical process of learning and acquiring knowledge that will bring us to the next leap. Though the millionaire dream still seems quite far stretched for me .. I may take longer than the rest, but it will still be a possible dream.
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Rabbit7 wrote:Hi Yhendra: Your recent postings did a good summary. Since attending the July Seminar, I am still paying my monthly Instalment, probably shall end Dec 2011. Did I recover my costs? I have not. Infact lost much after reading too much into the forum and get panic when the last downturn occurred last month. Sell and keep cash and cut losses! This is the only message I choose to hear. But will I recover and earn more than the losses? I believe, I will. Is this magical process of learning and acquiring knowledge that will bring us to the next leap. Though the millionaire dream still seems quite far stretched for me .. I may take longer than the rest, but it will still be a possible dream.
Hi Rabbit7,
ask yourself, without learning about Investing, what is your chance of becoming a Millionaire?

And I like to remind everyone of the words of Henry Ford:"Whether you think you can or you cannot, you're right.

We have the Power and Freedom to choose what we think and believe in.
Cheers!

Dennis Ng - When You Master Your Finances, You Master Your Destiny

Note: I'm just sharing my personal comments, not giving you investment advice nor stock investment tips.
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Rabbit7 wrote:Hi Yhendra: Your recent postings did a good summary. Since attending the July Seminar, I am still paying my monthly Instalment, probably shall end Dec 2011. Did I recover my costs? I have not. Infact lost much after reading too much into the forum and get panic when the last downturn occurred last month. Sell and keep cash and cut losses! This is the only message I choose to hear. But will I recover and earn more than the losses? I believe, I will. Is this magical process of learning and acquiring knowledge that will bring us to the next leap. Though the millionaire dream still seems quite far stretched for me .. I may take longer than the rest, but it will still be a possible dream.
Hi Rabbit7,

That's spirit that will make you become a different person from the rest who do not have it...
In another 5 to 10 years... we will see how much different we will be from the rest with the positive mindset! And again, for myself at least, the process is much more important than the result itself! If I do not become millionaire in 5 year, I will be in 10 years, if not it'll be in 15 years, if not... at least I make a REAL effort rather than surrender to the defeats/failure or give up and fallback to the routines in the rat race....
Cheers!
Hendra
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Post by positive7 »

Thanks both. Yes no pain no gain. Most importantly I am riding on a platform that is full of resources and that itself is invaluable. I believe I will eventually be a blessing to others.
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